otherwise mcdonald's moving higher, banc of america, decent tech names like hewlett-packard flexing their muscles as well. hewlett-packard jumping 3%, $0.56, bottom fishing going on there, some of the story and until up nearly 2%, verizon and at&t are the weak links along with jpmorgan chase. traders at the stock exchange, cme group and nynex, gold traded as well, when gold dropped $26 overnight and continues through the day what was it like, floor? >> those guys were pretty busy today but $26 is not a huge move for $1,700 product. but clearly something is going on. liz: if it goes below $1,700 which is one of those levels gold bugs look at, that becomes a big deal. >> people have a love affair with round numbers. they get infected, $90 crude or $70 gold. they are just another number. gold is a strange party. we talked about a few times. i feel like it is overpriced based on this relationship to something like platinum where platinum traded well over bold and now is different but to see that the dollar is lower and gold is lower there are players who have issues or an agenda and there's a